BalugaWhale:
its pretty simple actually--
being passive means only raising for value.
when youre playing against someone who is going for value, count the number of worse hands that can be going for value vs the number of better hands. if theres a lot of worse hands, you cant fold. if there arent, you cant call.
so, hand 1 is a call, hand 2 is a fold, etc., hands 3-5 are folds, etc.
you should rarely ever take a c/c line against a passive player for obvious reasons (youre bluff catching and they dont bluff).
And wtf is up with your min3-bet on the river with the 2nd nuts. make a real 3bet for value.
Sounded Simple:
I think we all know that bet/fold is the line best suited to when opponents calling ranges are wide but raising ranges are narrow. Sounds simple (pardon the pun) but its true and we all actually know this.
I think the problem most uNL players have is the fold part. Folding isn't fun, I hate it and I bet you do too.
For me the biggest reason I hate folding isn't that I have to fold a good hand its that I might be folding the best hand, that does annoy me.
So I think the problem that underlies here is having confidence in your hand reading abilities.
So with that in mind I recommend this exersise:
- Open HEM/PT3 and filter for
> Single Raised Pots
> Final pot >180bb (shorter stacks are easy to play anyway)
> You are OOP (because this is tougher)
> You cbet and are called HU
> You bet the turn
> You saw a showdown
Manually or in excel note the
> Player Type
> Flop SPR
> Board / Board Type
> Positions
> Villains turn action
> Villains hand
Your hand or who won is not relevant, now look at the info you have on what player types are doing on the turn with what holdings.
You may want to get more specific with the filters once you see patterns emerge.
WiltOnTilt:
the reason that bet/folding is such a powerful exploitative strategy is because people don't bluff raise later streets often enough in general. This is especially true vs players we deem "passive" as BW said. So in general, we should be betting later streets when we feel like we're a favorite when called and/or when there's value in winning the pot now to protect our share (equity) of the pot. This is why thin value betting has become so prevalent as you move up, because people have figured out that they can bet for extremely thin value against many players because they'll have an easy response vs further aggression. Eventually (and to some degree, now) people will realize that vs thin value bettors they need to slowplay more and bluff raise later streets more, but we're not to that point yet (and vs the fish, by definition, we'll never be at that point) so continue to bet away for value and continue to make good folds to raises vs people who either aren't bluff raising very much or value raising very many worse hands.
In terms of post game analysis, do like BW said. Count up the worse value hands and estimate how often you think it's a semi bluff. Of those hands, count up the combos (review Math of NLHE series for help on that) and figure out the value and semibluff combinations. See what your equity is vs that range in pokerstove, then figure out how many bluff combos you'll have to add in there to be able to continue in the hand (if any). Compare the number of bluff combos you'll need to the number of value hands you have already counted up. How does it look in comparison to your pot odds?
Hope that helps
WoT
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